Below is Parks Canada response to the summary of discussions on our Boat Tour with David Britton, Director of Ontario Waterways. Ron Bailey, Ron Black ,Alan Easton, Howie Newhook and Jim Daly from Lakeview Estates plus myself attended. Your thoughts on the response would be appreciated.

Summary of Discussion with Parks Canada on lake Tour

Thank you for taking the lake tour with us. I thought it was time well spent as it clearly showed the infestation of planted rice is of  major concern not only on southern Pigeon lake but also anywhere on the Trent Severn as it is James Whetung’s intent to plant anywhere he wishes ( i.e. Buckhorn, Chemong, Rice Lake etc.)

As promised I am forwarding a summary of our conversation. We discussed many issues but the one that raised an immediate concern was the fact that FN and PC, although making progress,  has not reached the stage of establishing designated areas for rice harvesting. Without this action there will no resolution to the Wild Rice issue.

We expressed our willingness to work with Parks Canada in any way possible to assist in resolving this issue. 

In case an agreement is made with the FN’s re designated rice harvesting areas, it raises other questions such as:

A. Who will be responsible for the removable of the planted rice in non designated rice areas.

 B. Who will be responsible for maintenance of these areas to ensure they stay Rice free?

C. Will annual permits, to maintain these areas be required. (hopefully not, as we are not responsible for the proliferation of the planted rice.)

D. We do not feel the permit to cut rice should be part of the aquatic weed removal guidelines. The cutting of rice does not disturb other aquatic matter as we only cut one to three feet below the surface and the rice is planted, not natural vegetation.

E. Could consideration be given to an annual maintenance permit with no fee.

These are only a few of the concerns which will need to be addressed. It is our wish to be part of this process and we would like to work directly with Parks Canada in determining the right course of action.

We also discussed the following

1. What protection will be put in place to protect the users of the lake if no interim solution is forth coming before the harvesting season begins. We are concerned about the uncontrolled actions demonstrated by James Whetung and partner Michelle Fraser.

2. We suggested that based on our experience the minimum requirement for safe recreational use is 1200 ft. between the rice beds and the shorelines The minimum  requirement would not be needed if the designated area for rice beds were placed along non populated shorelines as pointed out on our tour.

3. We need answers to the following;

    a. Can anyone plant Wild Rice on Private deeded land?

        ( This is contrary to the harvesting guidelines) Can the offender be charged?

    b. Did Parks Canada give permission to First Nations to reseed existing rice beds in 

          Federal waters?

    c. Did Parks Canada give permission to First Nations to plant new rice beds in 

         southern  Pigeon Lake?

       It is our understanding that there are no regulations covering the seeding and  

       harvesting of Wild Rice in Federal Waters; therefore, we are assuming we have the   

       right to do so. If we are not correct please advise where the regulations can be   


David, thanks again for your efforts in trying to resolve the rice issue. It is our hope that 

Parks Canada will take a stand on the issues outlined. We need leadership that will bring a fair settlement. If First Nations continue to stonewall the talks, we hope that Parks Canada will take a stand to develop a master plan that will ensure First Nations have designated rice stands in non populated areas and Canadians of all walks of life will be able to once again enjoy the waters of southern Pigeon Lake. 

Looking forward to your response.


Larry Wood

Spokesperson-Save Pigeon Lake Group

Response to the summary of discussions.

 Hi Larry,

Thanks again for the opportunity to get out on the lake and to hear the perspectives from you and some of the other shoreline property owners.  It was really useful for me to have that discussion on site where you can actually see the areas in question.

Thanks for your summary of our discussion.  In terms of next steps, as I mentioned, we’re reaching the point on this file where we’ve had a thorough discussion with both WTFN and yourselves on the various perspectives on wild rice management on Pigeon Lake.  Over the next several weeks we’ll be discussing the next steps on this file internally in Parks Canada.  I appreciate you laying out the questions about potential approaches for rice removal, its valuable for us to know your perspectives on this and supports the discussions we’ll be having.

I also wanted to follow-up on a few other items we discussed:

With respect to the question about whether non-Indigenous people can harvest wild rice.  The Historic Canals Regulations require a permit for the removals of any aquatic vegetation (other than for Indigenous Harvesting).  In the past we have permits for non-Indigenous harvesting of wild rice, with a permit condition that limits the quantity to a max of 20 lbs.  It has likely been a number of years since we’ve issued a permit of this nature and if we were to receive one now, given the current context, we would likely need to review the process.

On your question about the legalities of a non-Indigenous person seeding wild rice, this is something we are presently looking into.


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Cottagers and Indians – CBC Documentary



This documentary will feature the ongoing struggle between James Whetung and the shoreline residents of the southern part of PigeonLake. 

We encourage everyone to watch the documentary and make their own assessment and place their comments on the website and CBC’s.

If you would prefer to give us your feedback directly please email us at

Save Pigeon Lake committee

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Update re Pigeon lake Wild Rice Management Plan

Update re Pigeon lake Wild Rice Management Plan

As you are aware Parks Canada and representatives from the Williams Treaties First Nations have been working on a plan for Wild  Rice Management. The objective of the plan is to fulfill the needs of First Nation Harvesters and at the same time ensure unobstructed access to the Waterway for traditional uses we have enjoyed in the past. 

They have been meeting regularly over the past  months and it has been 

acknowledged that they are making progress. However you have probably guessed, that due to these troubling times the talks have been put on hold for the time being. 

We have been advised by Parks Canada that they are focused on distilling the discussions that have occurred to date into the format of a plan that they can bring back to the table. Their plan is to resume the meetings with First Nations as soon as feasible once the Government gives the direction to resume normal operations.

I am not optimistic that this will happen in the near future which could result in no Wild Rice Management Plan in place for the growing season this year.. However  with today’s technology it could happen?

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We would like to thank all in attendance today.  This turnout clearly shows your passion to find solutions which will hopefully lead to a harmonious relationship with our neighbours. There is no argument that the First Nations have the right to harvest and for those First Nations in attendance today, we sincerely want you to know, we respect and honour your rights.  For those here today, who are not familiar with the Curve Lake Harvesting Guidelines, they are, as follows;



First Nations have traditionally harvested for medicine, food, social and ceremonial purposes, including but not limited to harvesting of manomin-wild rice, birch bark, berries, medicinal plants and maple syrup.  The harvesters of the Williams Treaty First Nations recognize the importance of conservation and protection and will only harvest for personal and community use.”    We want the First Nation’s community to understand our issue is not with your rights.



However, how these rights are being executed  by one individual is a matter of great concern and that is why our communities have chosen to bring this matter forward. There is a great fear that the issue of seeding and commercial harvesting in areas where the lake never existed until the flooding, will result in unrest between the First Nations and our communities. 



This was supposed to be the year of reconciliation, but in order for that to happen, it is going to take compromise on both sides. We will today, put forth suggestions of what could be the first concrete step forward in finding a solution to this complex issue.



Please write down questions you would like answered during the question period ror possible solutions you may have. This meeting is not about us and them. It is about the need to correct an injustice, that has developed, due to the aggressive over seeding of the Tri Lakes 




Prior to 2011 people on the lakes were noticing the large amount of wild rice growing in our lakes. I say our lakes, as both the First Nations and fellow Canadians considered it as such and rightly so.


For example my family purchased shoreline property in 1947 in the area of Pigeon Lake which was flooded when the Buckhorn dam was built. Brenda Jeff’s family purchased property in the same area in 1962. Our families are still on the lake as we decided to make this area our home, along with hundreds of others who fell in love with these waters. Flood’s landing Trailer park was here in the early 1950’s. Eagan Marine and Happy days House boat rental started up. Then there was Gannons Narrows Marina, Tourist camps like Fees Landing. These are only a few of the businesses who are now concerned about the proliferation of rice. These businesses bring in Thousands of Tourism dollars which help support our growing communities. They, along with permanent residents and seasonal residents surrounding the Tri Lakes make up a large portion of the Township’s tax base, which is in jeopardy, if solutions are not found.


We contacted the Ministry of Natural Resources about the harvesting with an air boat and they lead us to believe that the individual had a permit and he was entitled to harvest in this manner. We then contacted the Trent Severn Waterways who Informed us they did not, nor does it, issue permits to harvest rice. Harvesting is allowed as long as it is in the traditional method. This was good news we thought!!! 


In 2012  we learned that the increase in rice beds was not natural. On the radio show Terra InForma, the harvester clearly stated he has seeded the lakes with thousands of 

pounds of rice. He also said quote ” that the Federal Government has asked him not to, gather nor plant wild rice but I did not let that stop me” end quote.


The lakes before the intentional seeding were pristine waterways ideal for recreational enjoyment, including canoeing, kayaking, swimming, and looking out at natures beauty. The area of Pigeon Lake where major seeding has taken place had no rice except in specific areas just north of Grenadier Island. This rice bed would come up every year and go through it’s annual cycle. Interestingly enough, in the 70 plus years I have spent on this lake the rice bed always, maintained it’s foot print. Simply because the seeds from the plant sink quickly and stayed within itself. There was no airboat to cast seeds wherever it went. No intentional seeding by persons dumping thousands of pounds of rice seeds in front of shoreline properties.



As stated in 2011 we became concerned about the increase in rice beds and wrote to Mr Peter Kent, Minister of the Environment.


His response was quote… the agency recognizes and understands the concerns shoreline landowners have in utilizing their waterfronts for recreational purposes and is WORKING towards the development of a Wild Rice policy. Unquote. This response was dated March 26, 2012.



We waited patiently for some indication that progress was being made, but nothing happened. We contacted TSW again, who advised us to contact them if we see this person harvesting with the use of an airboat and they will attempt to contact a Parks Canada warden.



We then had a conversation with the law enforcement branch of Parks Canada and We were informed that there was nothing they were prepared to do at this time due to the sensitivity of the issue.


In 2014 We wrote to 


Dean Del Mastro ….M.P. Peterborough  Conservative Member of Parliament 


Jeff Leal                ….M.P.P Peterborough Minister of Agriculture


Who assisted in bringing this issue to the attention of The TSW.


We also wrote to Jewel Cunningham ..Director of Ontario Waterways.



In the fall of 2014 we contacted the O.P.P. who talked with the commercial harvester and he, in turn presented a commercial license issued by the MNR. The O.P.P accepted The harvester’s  explanation even though the MNR has no authority over the management of Federal Waters. The O.P.P wrote us to say they are prepared to do whatever they are requested to do, as long as the request originates from TSW or the MNR. In other words do not bother calling us! 



We also wrote to:


Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s office who passed it on to

The Federal Minister of the Environment, who wrote back and stated the obvious  “we are WORKING on a Wild Rice policy.”


Next we contacted Selwyn Council who created a resolution requesting an update on the Federal Government’s wild rice policy. And followed up with another resolution in March 2015? The  response was very similar to the one written in 2011. “Were WORKING on a solution.”



We have also written to 


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 


The Federal Minister of Environment Catherine McKenna


The Federal Minister of Aboriginal affairs and


 M.P. Maryam Monsef 



In July 2015 we met with Jewel Cunningham and provided information that substantiated our claim that intentional seeding and commercial harvesting by airboat was taking place in Federal waters!


Trent Severn Waterways then issued us an Aquatic permit to remove rice for approximately 10,000 ft of shoreline and three channels that would give us access to navigable waterways.


First Nations took exception to the permit being issued as the TSW had failed to use the DUTY TO CONSULT RULING. We in turn honoured the request from TSW to temporarily stop the cutting. 


Talks were supposed to result in a Terms of Reference being established in order to move forward. This agreement took two years to complete but we still are not privy to the contents of this document, nor are we privy to any progress. 



In 2016 and 2017 we had several meetings with TSW, but unfortunately the response never did change. We are still WORKING on it. We are still working on it, Things are progressing, We are still working on it. Things  are progressing. People wrote to the Premier of Ontario and received the same message “NONE”!


Whoa!!! When is our Government and the First Nations going to realize the stand off between them is causing much anxiety with the people who are paying the price. It is obvious that all governing parties are not agreeing on a path to resolve this issue. 



More than seven years has passed since a cry for help was sent to our Government. We are NOT prepared to wait another seven years and that is why we are here today.



The where and how the harvesting is taking place is of great concern. The seeding of open water where rice never grew before and the method of harvesting are causing much hardship within our communities. 


Side Note

In 2009-2012 there was a project funded by Plenty Canada to RESTORE the rice beds in the Treaty 20 Territory. In 2013 this project continued and was funded by the MNR.

We understand the restoration project was designed to restore the rice beds. I do NOT  believe the intention was to seed all waters in the Tri Lakes!



The areas being seeded as stated earlier are adjacent to high residential areas which include Permanent homes, cottages, trailer parks, tourist camps, marinas, houseboat rentals, and many others businesses that are dependent on navigable waterways. This aggressive seeding has created many hardships. I.e 



Values of Homes


This seeding has caused the values of our homes to drop substantially.. This in turn will mean the taxes of every home owner in our communities will face an increase in their taxes to make up for the shortfall in tax revenues caused by decreasing values of homes and businesses surrounding the shores of the Tri lakes. This will affect almost everyone in this room.





Tourism revenue dollars will decrease because of the lack of access to open water and traditional fishing spots, as well, rental properties in these areas will no longer be a holiday destination.





For those who reside in communities surrounding the lakes you will have to traverse through channels to get too navigable waters. These channels are not safe during the height of the growing season, as the stalks are above your head  and it would be easy for two boats to collide. It is an accident waiting to happen.




The traditional activities for recreational use are no longer possible.



Environmental impact.


You may not be aware that according to some – when the rice grows abundantly it means a good water source. The unfortunate facts are – it starts out that way but over time, if left unchecked will turn into a wetland or a swamp. Under natural conditions this probably would not happen,  however nature did not count on man’s interference in this process. In 2013 Jeff Beaver stated that Pigeon lake had about 200 acres of Rice stands. In 2015 Kawartha Conservation wrote that there were between 1500 to 1800 acres. You may hear that water clarity due to zebra mussels is a factor. This may be a factor, but I hasten to point out it would be a very small factor, as the original rice stand in the middle of Pigeon lake has not changed its foot print over the same time period.



 Managing the rice and debris


The increase in the amount of rice has created problems for all of us, most especially our elderly. The Rice is an annual plant and every year it goes thru it’s cycle and dies. Most of the stalks stay within the rice bed,  sink to the bottom and turn into sedimentation. The rest is torn up from strong winds, wave action etc and then comes to rest on the shores. These stalks have to be cleaned up as they will rot and stink as they go through the  process. Some of you have spent many hours cleaning up this mess. It may have been bearable when there was a few hundred acres but now, with over 1500 acres it’s beyond overwhelming!



I’m sure by now it’s evident why we are here and why we are upset with our government. The lack of action & failure to offer any kind of solution, has resulted in tension between First Nations and our communities. 


Our issue is not with the First Nations as a whole, our issue is with one individual. We fail to understand why he is aggressively seeding within a few feet of our docks and in waters where rice never existed. We fail to understand why he is giving us rude and aggressive gestures while seeding. We fail to understand why he continues to seed when he has publicly stated that he has more Rice to harvest than he is able. Since he started seeding he has taken the stand with TSW of confrontation,  deliberately not following the guidelines. He is acting without any consideration of the affects the seeding is having on the quality of life of his neighbours. He has already made statements that he plans to seed the Kawartha Lakes and Rice lake. He demonstrates his contempt for our communities at every opportunity. Hopefully, today might bring an end to this behaviour.









We are respectfully asking the First Nations to talk with us directly and with the TSW. We  suggest that  Lake Management Plans be developed, whereby wild rice harvesting areas be determined and rice currently overtaking the residential and tourist areas be removed. 



In closing, it is our hope that respect & appreciation for each other’s well being , and the willingness of each other, regardless of the current political environment, will allow us to define a policy of mutual agreement that will demonstrate the desire by both the First Nations and our communities to proceed with finding solutions, resulting in a friendly and just RECONCILIATION.



Thanks for listening!



Closing for Meeting

We have waited seven years  for a solution to the aggressive seeding and harvesting which is having a harmful affect on our communities. The meeting today was refreshing as there was open dialogue which is required if a solution is to be found. This dialogue truly made the point we want to get along with our neighbours, we want a solution that will enable the First Nations harvesters to gather wild rice and use it for the purpose it was intended. As well, we want a solution that will allow the market value of our properties to be competitive, our tourism dollars to grow and allow us, once again to enjoy waterfront activities while at the same time, meeting the needs of our Indigenous neighbours.


We have presented a solution that could work if we all proceed with an open mind. It really does not matter what has happened in the past. What matters today is for all of us to come together and make decisions that will ensure a true reconciliation. We all should respect each other and do whatever is necessary not to cause harm to our neighbours.


We extend our willingness to help find a solution, in turn we would like Parks Canada and the First Nations to treat this issue as a priority. Establish a schedule of meetings and an end date of negotiations. Allow representation of our communities at these meeting. Let’s make a policy agreement and get on with Reconciliation.


Hon. Maryam Monsef, Jewel Cunningham and Lorenzo Whetung we sincerely thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule. Your attendance today illustrates a willingness to join together and iron out a solution to this serious problem. We look forward to a positive outcome for everyone. 


Of interest I have one closing question for our  distinguished guests today 







Dear Residents of Selwyn, City of Kawartha Lakes and The Tri-Lakes 


Thank you all for your attendance at our Community Meeting. My apologies to anyone who was unable to get in, due to the room being overcapacity. We did not anticipate the number of people who came out to show their passion and support to find a resolution to this very serious issue. For those who were unable to get in to the meeting, you may rest assured your voice was heard through the concerned stakeholders present. The fact that you showed up, helped to emphasize the need for a solution to be found.


The purpose of our meeting, was to get together, to understand each other’s concerns and work towards a solution. Although no solution was found the point was made, that regardless of the political environment, that there is a need for our governments to find a solution to satisfy the needs of the First Nations and the stakeholders residing in our communities. 


We left the meeting with the following commitment from MP Maryam Monsef, Curve Lake Councillor, Lorenzo Whetung, Director of Ontario Waterways, Jewel Cunningham and Selwyn Mayor-Elect Andy Mitchell:


“We are proposing a two track discussion. One acknowledging the nation to nation relationship between the Crown and First Nation. And another made up of community members which would be an Advisory Committee that would ensure greater input into the conversation toward a solution. We are going to try and do this over the next 3 months and report back to the community with what came out of the conversation and what next steps we have come up with. “


The meeting did demonstrate our need to increase our level of organization. Efforts, thus far, which have been extensive, have been undertaken by a small group of community volunteers. Do you or someone in your family have experience in communications, social media, fundraising etc? We need your help! There are many things that can be done to support our cause and as we know, many hands make light work. Please think of contributing a bit of your time to help bring about a favorable resolution. Please respond to this email if you are interested in attending future committee meetings or offering some assistance.


Again we thank all of you for the constructive dialogue. We are in this together and a resolution will only be found if we all work together toward a solution that will meet everyone’s needs.



Larry Wood 

Spokesperson Save the Tri-Lakes

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Update and Reminder of The Tri-Lakes Community Meeting Sat. Nov. 3rd  2 pm.

Update and Reminder of The Tri-Lakes Community Meeting Sat. Nov. 3rd  2 pm.


We have been advised that Chief Phyllis Williams of Curve Lake was unfortunately double booked for Saturday November 3rd. In her place Councillor Lorenzo Whetung, Rights & Resources Portfolio and Curve Lake Representative to the Williams Treaties Harvesting Committee will be in attendance to speak on behalf of Curve Lake.


In addition we are happy to confirm that Maryam Monsef Member of Parliament Peterborough-Kawartha will also be in attendance.


Jewel Cunningham                   – Director of 0ntario Waterways 

Councillor Lorenzo Whetung  – Curve Lake First Nation

Maryam Monsef                        -MP Peterborough-Kawartha

Andy Mitchell.                            -Mayor-Elect  Selwyn 


I would suggest that if you have any questions you would like answered by our guests that you forward them to This will permit us to go through them and consolidate taking out the duplicates. There will also be a question period to ask your questions directly if you would prefer.


I encourage you to talk with your neighbours and friends and request them to attend this very important meeting with you. Remember the aggressive seeding and harvesting by one individual is affecting everyone in our communities. Your attendance will help demonstrate the seriousness of this matter.


We look forward to seeing you at the Ennismore Arena Saturday Nov3rd 2pm


Thank you

Larry Wood

Spokesperson – Save The Tri Lakes initiative

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Saturday, November 3, 2018, 2 p.m.
Ennismore Arena
Come meet with your neighbours and other property owners who are concerned about the invasion of planted rice in the lakes.

Agenda Items Include:

History of the lakes and the rice
Concerns including but not limited to:

Safety on waterways
Environmental impacts
Decrease in shoreline property values and how it will affect the community’s tax base
Managing the rice and its debris
Inability to enjoy the waterfront

Possible guest speakers
Mayors-Elect, representatives from the Trent Severn Waterway, and MPs office have been invited.

Confirmation of attendance will be posted on

Actions taken to date
What’s next
We would like your input on possible options moving forward

This meeting is being held by a group of volunteers in your community.

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The Honourable Doug Ford – Premier and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs of Ontario PLEASE HELP!

The Honourable Doug Ford

Premier and Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs of Ontario

Legislative Building

Queens Park

Toronto ON

M7A 1A1                                                                        October 8, 2018-10-05



Dear Premier,


I would like to address the issue of waste created by a resident of the Curve Lake  Reserve, namely Mr. James Whetung’s rice fields in Pidgeon Lake, as well as in several other Kawartha Lakes.   We have been living, not just cottaging, on the South East shore of Pigeon Lake since June of 1994.


The waste issue has been overlooked within the greater issues with Mr. Whetung revolving around the Williams treaty of 1923.  (I refer you to the attached letter by Mr Larry Wood to The Hon Justin Trudeau Prime Minister).

Since I was a kid growing up in Germany, I’ve always had empathy for the plight of the North American Indigenous People.  So I can state right here that I support him in his endeavour to pass on the tradition of harvesting the wild rice in their traditional way, to his people and others who are interested.


However, I take great issue with the manner in which he’s going about it.


Williams Treaty No. 20


He has voiced his intentions to seed most of the lakes within the boundaries of the Williams Treaty.


In 1994 there was no evidence of any rice any where near us.  We understand that in 2011 there were approx. 200 acres, today there are in excess of 1500 acres, and there seems to be no end in sight.   This begs the question: how much rice does he need to traditionally harvest it by canoe?  He has thrown tradition out the window.  He is harvesting using an airboat, typically used in the Florida everglades.  A most noisy piece of equipment.


At the end of harvest sason a lot of his dying crop disintegrates and washes up on our shores.   These mats of waste consist of strands of thick and very strong rice grass which has been uprooted by wave action as well as by adjasent boat trafic.   Most of these strands are 8ft. long, knitted and woven together into a mass thick enough to touch bottom, which is 3 to 4 ft. deep at our shore.  They can reach out to 50ft. from shore.

Once the heavy job of forking it out of the water is donewe have to get rid of it.  Fortunately we have a place on our property where we can dump it.  If we did not have this space we would have to truck it to the dump and pay for doing so.

I am 75 years old, my wife is 71.  I have Parkinson’s Disease. To get rid of this mess is a big job, as witnessed by the attached photos.  This is not a onetime thing, but rather has to be repeated several times throughout the season.

I remember one member of our Initiative telling me that once he confronted Mr. Whetung about the clean up, he was told that he should just hire some of

Mr. Whetung’s neighbours to do it!  In effect he is running a commercial enterprise, and as such, he should abide by some rules that I’m sure his mother must have taught him, namely one being: clean up after yourself!

The option of just leaving them in the water is not tenable.  It doesn’t take long for the whole thing to turn into stinking, rotting mess right into winter.  In the spring once the ice is gone, we find the lake bottom in front of us all covered in the remains of last years mess.


He is running a commercial business, Black Duck Wild Rice, and by all indications not very well.  He is a one man show, concentrating on playing in the mess he’s creating on the waters, making it very unpleasant for the rest of us.

Pat and I are not by a long shot the only ones affected by this man’s behaviour.

May I referr you to the “Save Pidgeon Lake” web site


Mr. Larry Wood, Spokesperson for the “Save Pigeon lake Initiative” has been in touch with all levels of Government since 2011, without any success in gaining help regarding this problem.  When contacted, Hon. Maryam Monsef, our MP has shown little interest.  I’m afraid Mr. Whetung’s attitude does not bode well for the Reconcilliation Process underway in Canada at this very moment.


It is for this reason I am writing you now, to respectfully appeal to you to put some weight of your office onto this matter.


Thank you for your consideration.


Yours Sincerely,

Richard Lange

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Mayoralty Candidates Position Regarding Farming Of Rice In The Kawartha Lakes

Dear Concerned Residents of Selwyn


As you are aware, an election is coming up. The person who gets elected as Mayor will have an opportunity to fight on our behalf in finding solutions to our continuing battle, re the issues pertaining to the farming of rice in the Kawartha Lakes.


I asked each candidate what they would do if elected. Below are their responses. The quality of these candidates speak for itself,  as each one enthusiastically agreed to respond and in writing.


Our thanks for putting your names forward.




Larry Wood





Mayoralty Candidate Linda Marlene Eales


Dear Larry,


I sincerely apologize for my delay on my response. The reason for my response is that it is very important for me to review all background information I could obtain in order to most thoroughly and fairly respond to your request.


I have been in contact with Selwyn Township about this and support all of Selwyn Council’s Resolutions to work with our MP Monsef to continue to strongly urge the Federal Government through Parks Canada to Finalize a Wild Rice Management Plan, including:


Establish a method for harvesting the wild rice that considers the needs of adjacent waterfront property owners as the current mechanical method of using an air boat generates excessive noise that is disturbing to waterfront property owners and is affecting the enjoyment of their property.

Establish time limits on mechanical harvesting by limiting the hours per day for harvesting and establishing no harvesting on Sundays.

Additionally, in reviewing the response letter January 11th, 2018, from Jewel Cunningham, Director of Ontario Waterways Parks Canada: I will directly contact her in relation to her response, that “…further work on a wild rice management plan progresses…” and that  “Parks Canada will establish a forum in which cottagers and residents will be able to liaise and discuss concerns directly with the Trent Severn Waterway… Through education and collaboration, everyone’s interests can be heard and understood and possibly accommodated. On the specific concern raised related to the use of mechanical harvesting and the issuance of aquatic vegetation removal permits, Parks Canada and the Steering Committee will advance discussions pertaining to these topics. We appreciate your useful suggestions and will consider them at the table. ” [underlining is my addition]


I also think it may be wise for Selwyn Council to request a meeting with our Curve Lake Nation Chief and Council to discuss the wild rice on behalf of both of our community members, as we are all affected by this use of the shared lakes and shared land. At my requests for information, I have not received any confirmation that this has happened yet.


I have read about, and listened to your story of your family history on Pigeon Lake and understand that this is very upsetting for you and your family. I have received a number of other requests for my position on the wild rice seeding and harvesting on Pigeon Lake and will respond to those emails now. As you and yours well know, this is a challenging issue as it involves our Federal Government and our Williams Treaty First Nations, and there is a long history that is being considered at the Federal level prior to decisions being made now.


Please let me know when and where the candidates responses will be posted on your website so that I can direct other inquiries to your site. This may also help to garner more support for you.




Linda Marlene Eales



Mayoralty Candidate Ron Black



Good morning Larry, as per our conversation, I am providing you with my comments regarding the seeding of wild rice on Pigeon Lake.  This seeding practice started almost ten years ago and it appears that our Federal government, their local representatives and the Trent Severn Waterway have done little to support the Selwyn residents who have been negatively impacted.  As the Trent Severn Waterway is a Federal jurisdiction, it is their responsibility to mitigate this issue to ensure fair and equal treatment of all residents.

Selwyn Township has a long history of cooperation and partnerships with its neighbouring townships and Curve Lake First Nations Council.  Our partnership with Curve Lake includes bi-annual Tri-council meetings with Trent Lakes Township, economic development and tourism initiatives, public transportation planning, provision of fire services to the reserve etc…  Selwyn Township values our relationships with our neighbours and wants to enhance future partnerships that will directly benefit residents in all of our communities.  Successful partnerships depend on all parties actively working together to find solutions to local issues that impact residents.

If elected Mayor of Selwyn Township, I will request an urgent meeting with Curve Lake Council to work on a compromise solution that is agreeable to both communities.   Partnerships are dependent on both parties having empathy and understanding of the needs of everyone involved.  Future partnerships with the Township of Selwyn may be negatively impacted based on support for these basic principles of negotiation and cooperation. I am prepared to urgently and actively work towards a solution for the residents of Selwyn Township.






Mayoralty Candidate Andy Mitchell



Thank you for taking the time to talk with me.


As always I appreciated hearing your perspective and I understand the frustration you are experiencing.


I believe one of the fundamental responsibilities of the Township is to take measures that work to facilitate residents having the opportunity to enjoy their property. As Mayor I would work hard to ensure this takes place.


As you point out in your letter indigenous harvesting rights is not the issue. You and your neighbours recognize this activity is consistent with the Williams Treaty.


What you are seeking are answers to a number of questions about the exercise of this right and the need to receive answers in a timely and clear manner.


More specifically you have asked:


  1. Is it legal to seed rice on Federal waterways
  2. Is it legal to harvest rice for commercial purposes
  3. Is it legal to harvest rice using mechanical devices


As Mayor of Selwyn I will champion your efforts to be provided answers. As you know I have extensive experience dealing with senior levels of government in general and indigenous issues more specifically. I have a long track record of getting things done.


In moving forward I would propose the following:


  1. Engage the Federal and Provincial government at both a political and bureaucratic level. As Municipal representatives our perspective needs to be heard and considered. I am prepared to go to Ottawa and Toronto to make our case
  2. As a Township we should engage FCM, AMO and ROMA to garner municipal allies in approaching the Federal and Provincial governments to outline approaches to assist municipalities in accommodating the exercise of Treaty rights
  3. Reach out to other municipalities to identify best practices in addressing similar situations
  4. Engage with the First Nations covered by the Williams Treaty to identify concerns and to develop an appropriate and respectful dialogue
  5. In the context of the Williams Treaty and subsequent affirmations, use the joint council meetings with Curve Lake to discuss perspectives and seek common understandings
  6. Advocate that the Township have a meaningful role on any working group developed to address the issue of wild rice
  7. In order to ensure property owners are kept up to date and have a venue to express their concerns, as Mayor I would strike a working group of property owners and the ward councillor to keep residents informed on progress and to receive input. This process could begin with a town hall meeting to allow a fulsome exchange of perspectives


In closing I believe that the resolution of the situation requires the respectful engagement of all parties. As challenging as the past relationship has been, the path forward requires the Township to make an aggressive effort to find common ground and to continue to engage all parties.


I would be pleased to discuss this further with you and your neighbours.


AndyFacebooktwitterredditpinterestlinkedinmailby feather

To Jewel Cunningham-Director of Ontario Waterways -Parks Canada

Dear Jewel

Please advise when you will be able to update us. Yesterday, Monday September 17, we went  through another day of upset caused by Whetung, not only harvesting by mechanical means but also  seeding the lake approximately 50 to 75 feet off the shoreline in pristine water with no rice. To aggravate the situation even more he made a rude gesture at us. We then taped a video which clearly shows the seeding taking place which is attached.

Surely this action is not acceptable! All we read about is the need for reconciliation between the First Nations and the rest of Canada. How can there be reconciliation when one individual from the Curve lake reserve takes it upon himself to destroy the southern part of Pigeon Lake. Our  position is – enough is enough. If we have to take things into our own hands and create media attention to the fact that our Government’s are not prepared to take a position on this matter we are prepared to do so. There is nothing in the treaty settlement that addresses the issues below.

We have been in contact with our Governments since 2011 and the answer has always been…WE ARE WORKING ON A SOLUTION THAT WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FIRST NATION AND SHORELINE STAKEHOLDERS NEEDS…WERE WORKING ON A WILD RICE MANAGEMENT PLAN. These responses appear to be meaningless as we are now in a worse position than when we first started to voice our concerns. SEVEN years of communication and we still do not know ;

A. If it is legal to seed the Kawartha Lakes with wild rice?
B. If it is legal to harvest rice for commercial profit ?
C. If it is legal to harvest by mechanical means (air boat)

We are Canadians and need the protection of our rights;  our homes are loosing value, the use of the waterways are being lessened, plus the annual cycle of the growth of rice is causing more sedimentation that will eventually turn the southern part of Pigeon Lake into a swamp.
This is supported by the fact that the amount of rice has increased from an estimated growth of  200 acres to 1500 acres in the past seven years caused mainly by the admitted seeding of Mr. Whetung.



Looking forward to meeting with you.

Larry Wood
Spokesperson for the Save Pigeon Lake InitiativeFacebooktwitterredditpinterestlinkedinmailby feather